today saying point blank, they do want a two step process for tax reform and raise the rates to the clinton levels now and let next year be a time for negotiating rates for the feature and then maybe everyone can lower the rates at that time. it does seem like there is a lot of that going on. >> i think that the difference between what we are seeing now and in the past like this is you have the public posturing and by all accounts that is not happening right now. the fact that it is news, the president and the speciaker is amazing and it speaks to the conversations going on behind the scenes. democrats were saying for months and months, they realize that they have the leverage because at the end of the day, old tax rates are going to go up. they believe that republicans were going to say that they understand that they are losing the message war on this. he made a point to say it is not that they are not for raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> i spoke with george mitchell last night and i was about to say, in talking to them, it is like talking to adults, they are talking to people five or